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SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« on: June 05, 2009, 02:57:24 am »
*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoe brothers   Shivas = a major Hindu god

*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=unknown; maybe the Aruban Prime Minister
*Sumerians= maybe American government officials or Jossy Mansur, head of Diario
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba

*Arawaks=native Arubans   Arawaks= The Arawaks were a very gentle culture, they preferred negotiation and commercial exchange to war. Their society was characterized by happiness, friendliness and a highly organized hierarchical, paternal society, and a lack of guile. Each group was a small kingdom and the leader was called a cacique. They practiced polygamy and most men had 2 or 3 wives, but the caciques had as many as 30. It was a great honor for a woman to be married to a cacique. Not only did she enjoy a materially superior lifestyle, but her children were held in high esteem
http://www.paradise-inn-carriacou.com/arawaks.php


*Arawak King=Prime Minister, or possibly the boat with the same name from the mainland that frequents Aruba.
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality. Not sure what the connection is here…

*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture was first suggested, but I think it really means the island’s businesses: casinos, hotels, etc. that would be hurt worst by a drop in tourism

*Roll=reference to doing the drug ecstasy; or tripping whether or not self induced doing X is called ‘rolling’
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in underworld; Natalee’s real killers (or those responsible for her death Sex/drug dealers.)
*The Maze=location of rave parties/ seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed (The Lamb and shivas)
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee; her family, EquuSearch, FBI, etc.

*Indians= arubans
*Loot=Natalee; some think this means hard evidence of any kind
*Wampum= money, income to Aruba; the economy
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed
*Doppleganger=an invisible shadow-self possessed by every human
*Eden=truth

*cowboy gods=the real power in the U.S.: FBI, senators, et cetera

SHANGO'S RIDDLE

Shango | 8/1/05 | Shango


Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

Threadsurfers listen!

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.

But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 02:57:58 am »
This seems to be the most current set of keys.
*Mary=Natalee
*The Lamb=Joran
*Shivas=Kalpoes ?
*Dirty Hand=police commissioner Van Der Straaten
*The Elder=Paulus Van Der Sloot
*His Lordship=(possibly, presiding judge)
*Sumerians=(Cartel, Mafia)
*Babylonians=European (Dutch) influence on Aruba
*Arawaks=native Arubans
*Arawak King=Prime Minister
*Olorum=supreme being
*46th Spirit=a reference to Bifrons, a spirit with the swollen features of a rotting corpse; makes people around him aware of their own mortality.
*Teepees=dwelling of innocent people/carefree island culture
*Roll=reference to the drug ecstasy
*Keystone=Dirty Hand=the center of corruption, which will expose this crime and other corruption, if caught.
*The Lions=the truly dangerous people involved in ***/drug underworld
*Dicemen = dealers/operators
*The Maze=location of rave parties/seedy underworld of the island
*Sacrifice=person or people who will take the fall if truth isn't exposed
most likely "Joran".
*Cowboys=Americans searching for Natalee
*Loot=evidence/body/Natalee
*Wampum=treaty, agreement, money
*Occam's Razor=medieval principle that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed

*Doppleganger=Poser
*Eden=truth
*Dirty Feet=J. Mansuer the Sumerian
*Hindus=Kalpoes

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Shango Says:


Shango does not fear the Simian


Shango feels the Simian speaks speculatively


desiring to know, but remaining clothed in darkness
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 02:59:47 am »
One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,
(dirt or ... unpaved road)

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA
(The house of rave is out in the country where the roads are not paved.)

Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:31 A.M. Post
(Babalu identifies (Van der Stratten) as a possibility in one of his posts.)


DirtyHand is alive
(Van Der Straaten's involvement comes to light/ ident discovered)


Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist

that door to Truth remains closed

until the house with the path

But not of gold

is entered


DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
(Van Der Straaten is in the know with both sides and is helping PVDS)

The gods are talking
(People of Shango's nature, people that know whats going on in aruba)


Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless


DirtyHand can bring down all houses
(Van Der Straaten knowledge can uncover all the criminal activities)

DirtyHand is the key
(Van Der Straaten is the key to solving the crime)

His reach is long
(Van Der Straaten knows everything that goes on)

He walks in all circles
(Van Der Straaten knows a lot of people of all types)


consort to all, except for the gods
(Van der Stratten knows and perhaps gives advice or takes bribes from all, except for those of Shangos nature.)


He knows the sacrifice is not responsible
(Van der Stratten knows Joran is not responsible)


Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
(Who is Joran Afraid of, who has that power)?

Why won’t he talk?
(Scared enough not to talk)


The dice throwers know
(The Casino Dealers/gamblers know)

the maze of the rave
(Maybe not a literal, but saying Dealers/gamblers know the inner workings of how things work on the island)

and the fly that entered the trap
(and of NH entering into what shango calls "the Trap". Meaning she was setup or possibly a trap that is always there for this purpose. Traps are planned)

DirtyHand is the key

(again .... Van Der Straaten knows everthing)

He walks in many circles
(Van Der Straaten knows a lot of people of all types)

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(They were never at the beach. )

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
(They were never at the beach. )

Shango Says: DRAX SCORES
(Meaning DRAX is correct about them not being at the beach)

DirtyHand knows this
(Van Der Straaten Knows this)

Children of the Elders play in the maze,
(Children of Island officials party or are involved in illegal activities that go on)

but DirtyHand is afraid to rave
(Van Der Straaten is afraid to party - Obviously not cool for the Polis chief to do illegal things putting himself in a vunerable position of equal leverage)

Babylonians and Shivas do not play with sandcastles
(Don't follow Jorans lies about the beach, the ones we need to find are not at the beach).

Follow the music!
(Find where "raves" take place or possibly a band)

Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets
(I don't believe that shango would know if NH was a virgin in the biblical sense - So I tend to believe that shango is saying NH had been to this location before - however maybe not while there was a party/rave going on.)

The lamb is scared
(Joran gets scared)

The fires are lit
(Someone gives a warning Joran a warning/signal/sign)

But now the lamb is a goat
(Joran doesn't realize he's got a big problem and by his own actions has made himself the perfect scape-goat)

Mary never heard the buoy toll
(NH didn't see what was going on around her () and did not hear/see the warning)

ask the men who play dice and “roll”
(The Dealers /gamblers at the casinos know that NH never saw it comming. Talk to them.)

Follow the music

The DiceMen must be questioned.
(Dealers and Casino players must be questioned)

They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
(They attend the same partys)

Mary who was not a virgin entered
(Again - Possibly stating that NH had been there before)

The DiceMen ROLLED
(Casino Dealers or Players were high XTC, rolled being the term used for someone high or taking X)

Mary ROLLED
(NH was high on X, whether or not she was willing - she was rolling/high)

Mary ROLLED through the Maze
(NH was high and was lead through the underground)

There is more than one house of music
(there is more then one rave/party location. I think he points this out as to say "you need to pick the right one")

the Lamb is a Scapegoat
(Joran will take the blame)

The Lamb returned to the fold
(Joran went home)

Mary Rolled
And the lions played
(Joran ran away, Natalee was still high/drugged and I think you can guess the rest.)

Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers
(shango says this when ever someone correctly posted a reply to his comments. ThreadSurfers are of course Blogers and the like. Opening windows in to babylon = understanding what happened and what is going on)

The maze offers many hidden desires
(I'd say sick desires, but none the less he's pointing to drugs, sex etc.)

deflowerings of forbidden fruits
(Rapes or have attracted types that desire these activities. Deflowering "taking away the virginity of a women or to possibly destroy their innocence. Forbidden Fruits = usually is an indulgence or a pleasure that is illegal or is believed to be immoral)

DirtyHand knows.
(once again Van Der Straaten is aware of this fact)

So does the elder.
(So does PVDS)

The lamb is a scapegoat.
(Joran is going to be blamed)

DirtyHand has walked through the maze
(Van Der Straaten has been thought the party clique)

He knows of the forbidden fruit
(he knows of the illegal and imoral activities)

and the gardeners
(and those that take care or "host" them)

Why do they leave the Maze open?
(Why are raves still taking place?)

Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
(Why hasn't anyone looked in to it?)

Tell the Cowboys!
(Tell the Americans/searchers)

The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.
(Islanders are hiding the way to the rave/party for the Dutch/boys)

All know of the music
(Everyone knows of the rave/partys)

beckoning lost souls

to enter the seven levels of inferno

who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
(Who Drugged NH ? )

Enter the Maze.
(find the rave/party network go there)

Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post


DirtyHand does not play with the lions
(Van Der Straaten Doesn't partake in activities with drug/ cartels)

but he has entered the maze
(Obviously Van Der Straaten has been to the location where this "party/rave" took place - he knows where it is.)

the lamb is a scapegoat
(Joran will be blamed)

DirtyHand knows
(Van Der Straaten knows this)

So does the Elder
(So does PVDS)

Follow the music
into the maze
(Find the Rave/party, Possibly literal actually get silent and listen for music to find the rave/party location).

the lions know they are being stalked
(the Drug dealers / cartels know there being sought out)

the gamblers and other Rollers talk
(Casino gamblers and other X heads talk)

tell the cowboys!
(Tell the American/Searchers)

The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
(Arubans will not show us were the rave/party place is unless Americans/beth refuse to accept joran as the only guilty party)

Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder
(repetition for emphasis)

Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

The cowboys need to find the right path,
(Americans/searchers are looking in the wrong areas)

but they can’t hear the music.
(they are deaf to whats going on around them)

The Arawaks know
Stupid Cowboys with Arawak Guides
(Americans/searchers are foolish to use aruban guides, aruban guides are taking advantage of this)

Cowboys don’t read smoke signals,
(Americans are not reading the signs/signals correctly)

they must enter the maze!
(FIND THE DAMN RAVE/PARTY ALREADY!)

Shango needs to feed the messengers. The Gods are talking.

Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
(NH was expecting to have fun -- little did she know)

the lamb ran bleating
afraid to walk through the maze
(Joran is a wuss and ran he was scared he knew what was going on/happened).

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
(Why don't the arubans rat out the drug dealers/cartel)?

The cowboys don’t know.
(Americans dont understand the innerworkings of the maze)

DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation
(Van Der Straaten knows but is afraid if he gives up the lions the money will cease and the arubans will become upset with Van Der Straaten)

The gods are talking
(Shangos bosses are talking/planning)

The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague

I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen

The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus

Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions
(Threadsurfers in other countries are oblivious to the Maze and drug dealers/cartels because they do not have/(can't imagine) this type of courruption)

without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys

they will leave without loot

Shango is the god of justice

alive in many forms

he who speaks through Oxum through lightning

and himself through thunder

father of the violent dance

diviner of secrets of the seven levels of inferno

bound to truth even as it burns

so that justice may be brought.

Only those who cRave music go into the Maze

The gods of Babylon have orchested the refrain for the Arawak choir

the music which holds the answers lies within the maze

the cowboys will smile sweetly as the chorus sings

backs turned to the maze

never hearing a single note

from the poison song

All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes

Shango must leave to feed the messengers
(Shango must meet with the press)?

The gods are talking
(Shangos bosses are talking)

Follow the notes

to the poison house

where the children of the babylonians

and the arawak nation

meet, under cover of delusion.
(Follow the music to the party/rave where Children of the Dutch officials and Arubans meet thinking their not seen or noticed)

In the maze

the lions which play

shall be found.

The gamblers also took note.

Tell the cowboys!

Not all lions leave their den
(It seems to say -- not all party goers leave the maze or possibly live at the maze .. possibly someones house or wherehouse?)

That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
(I guess you have to go at night when it's happening to find it or possibly hear/see it).

Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon

do not stray from your paths

you hold the key in hand

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 10:09:09 pm »
Who are they>

Well, Simian, at least some of the Simian posts, are from Armin Sologinier (sp).

Shango....that is truly a mystery.

We have been told he/she was posting from North Miami Florida.

There was another poster on the board around that time that chose the name ShockTheMonkey.  This person is reported to have originally posted under the name of Christy White.  ShaockTheMonkey is said to have been posting from Jacksonville, Fl.  (About a five and one-half hours drive going north from Miami)

ShockTheMonkey posted under this name from 10:18 am until 12:06 pm on 6/23/05.  ShockTheMonkey did not post at all on 6/24/05, but returned on 6/25/05 at 9:08 pm and posted some alarming posts until 11:44 pm.  On 6/25/05 ShockTheMonkey posted that he/she lived in Aruba and that Joran was guilty.  It was posted that Steve Croes was 'the vessel'.  ShockTheMonkey posted he/she was afraid of losing their job.

ShockTheMonkey never reappeared on the board after 6/25/05, yet Shango showed up the next day.  Could these two be the same person?  Was 6/24/05 a travel day for ShockTheMonkey, leaving Aruba for Florida?
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2009, 05:02:37 pm »
Continued.....

I am sure it has been discussed at sometime over the last four years, but I looked at this for a couple of days and considered normal people and the logistics involved in reported locations of some posters. As we all know, many posters were involved in trying to sell us all on the fact that Aruba was a harmless, happy place. They were all over the forums with their sales pitches. Well, in sales timing is everything.

When looking at the timing of some of these 'cryptic' posters some things stand out. Here I go.

Simian first showed up as Simian (I say that because there is no telling if that person had already been posting as someone else) on June 17, 2005 at 5:08 pm and it is agreed that he was posting from Aruba. His first post was about dispelling the 'sold into slavery' discussions that were taking place. Now, who was interviewed as a witness earlier that day? Jaime Alberto CARRASQUILLA CACERES. This is the person Joran called first and the time he called Jaime is in question because they have two different stories about that. It is also believed Simian was Armin Solongier.

On June 23, 2005 we see the entrance of ShockTheMonkey who is believed to have initially posted as Christy White. ShockTheMonkey came on posting that he/she was being watched and things were getting weird and that he/she had been 'pinged'. Who was being interviewed as a suspect that day? PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT. ShockTheMonkey posted from 10:18am until 12:06 pm(about two hours) on this day and did not post at all on June 24, 2005. ShockTheMonkey returns to the board on June 25, 2005 and posts from 9:08 pm until 11:44 pm beginning with that bold statement that Joran was guilty and Steve Croes was the 'vessel'.. And then never posts under that nic again.

ShockTheMonkey, at that time, was believed to have been posting from Aruba. Some have been told later that ShockTheMonkey was posting from Florida, possibly in the Jacksonville area. It may be interesting to determine when the 'posting from Florida' revelation surfaced as I believe it is more than possible that ShockTheMonkey may have used June 24, 2005 as a travel day. Remember, Shock believed he/she had been 'pinged' and Paulus was now considered a suspect.

The next day Shango makes his/her grand entrance onto the board, June 26, 2005 at 3:09pm. ShockTheMonkey is never heard from again. Shango is cryptic from the get-go and we have been told he/she was posting from the North Miami area, a mere one and one half hours drive from Jacksonville.

So, to summarize I do believe it is very possible that ShockTheMonkey/Christy White and Shango/Robalo33 were all the same person. I think this person knew what went down in Aruba.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2009, 05:03:34 pm »
Here's more on the timing:

June 17, 2005
On June 13, 2005 Joran is 'interviewed' by Jan Van Der Straaten, but Van Der Straaten does not sign the official, paper statement until June 17, 2005.

Jaime is then interviewed as a witness.

Simian arrives on a public message forum to dismiss the talk of 'sold into slavery'.


June 18, 2005
Paulus Van Der Sloot is interviewed as a witness.

Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann passes away. Paulus does not mention her this day.

Rene Van Heyningen passes away.


June 19-21, 2005 is relatively quiet with the same discussions over and over. No Simian, no ShockTheMonkey, no Shango.

June 22, 2005
Simian returns to discuss the step-father of Natalee and a possible insurance fraud scenario. A few weeks later a story about Max DeVries appears in Amigo claiming there was insurance fraud by the family. Simian stays on the board for quite a while this day and defends Aruba at all costs.

June 23, 2005
Simian begins to change his/her tune just a bit where Joran and Paulus are concerned. Paulus is interviewed as a suspect now.

ShockTheMonkey is concerned about the boards being watched.

June 24, 2005
Simian posts, but there is also an imposter/doppleganger. No ShockTheMonkey, no Shango yet.

June 25, 2005
ShockTheMonkey returns claiming Joran is guilty after saying they were innocent back on June 23, but claiming it was an accident. One post states: "Let me go prepare for your morning news....Good night all!"

June 26, 2005
Enter Shango.

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 02:52:50 pm »
http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/44196-anyone-else-following-natalee-holloway-case-8.html

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 RE:Anyone else following this Natalee Holloway case?
There are lines in that poem which could possible corroberate what I posted about this in another thread... that there is a possible poker connection, the suspect lost a lot of money, and the only way he could extricate himself from that debt was to deliver a female to a very unsavory character.

<snip>
The dice throwers know

the maze of the rave

and the fly that entered the trap

DirtyHand is the key

He walks in many circles
<snip>
Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”
<snip>
The DiceMen must be questioned.

They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze

Mary who was not a virgin entered

The DiceMen ROLLED

Mary ROLLED
<does Mary refer to the suspect who lost a huge sum of money to "the dice men?>
<snip>
Mary who was not a Virgin entered the maze to discover it’s secrets

The lamb is scared

The fires are lit

But now the lamb is a goat

Mary never heard the buoy toll

ask the men who play dice and “roll”
<snip>
<the line repeats during the poem:>
the Lamb is a Scapegoat
DirtyHand does not play with the lions

but he has entered the maze

the lamb is a scapegoat
<snip>
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

The gods are talking

<<<note: the Arawak tribe refers to a linguistic stock of indigenous people who came from South America and, at the time of the Spanish Conquest, occupied the islands of the Greater Antilles, the Bahamas, Trinidad, and other areas of Amazonia. Before the arrival of the Spanish they were driven from the Lesser Antilles by the Carib. Most of the Arawak of the Antilles died out after the Spanish conquest. In South America, Arawakan-speaking groups are widespread, from SW Brazil to Colombia and Venezuela, representing a wide range of cultures. They are found mostly in the tropical forest areas N of the Amazon.>>>
<<<where much of the world's **** is produced!>>>

The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
<snip>
Follow the notes

to the poison house

where the children of the babylonians

and the arawak nation

meet, under cover of delusion.

In the maze

the lions which play

shall be found.

The gamblers also took note.

Tell the cowboys!